PART II: London Annual PuristS GTG, The Watches

Jun 30, 2009,08:43 AM
 

A too ordinary title to describe what we saw and who we met...

Imagine a Londonian shop, a nice one, where you can meet some great brands as AP, JLC, FPJ etc...

You will tell me OK, what 's the matter?

You went in a nice shop and then?

THEN?

We just saw some of the most brilliant Independant watches ....With their Creators!

I miust confess that I don't know very well the Independants World, an d that this was the opportunity, at least to me, to discover them, to have the time to understand what's behind these special watches, and to speak with " Monsieurs " like The De Bethune Team, Peter Sepake Marin ( Too shortly..;Sadly ), Roger W Smith, for instance.

Among all the watches and brands I saw, I had some confirmations, and a revelation.

The confirmations?

De Bethune watches...

I'm admiring them fro a moment, now, their specificity in the Horological World, horologically and aesthetically speaking, and I'm more and more convinced of their interest.

An impressive Black Beast:

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A Spherical moonphase at 6, a very original design ( assymatrical lugs, crown at 6, layout of the dial ), and interesting technical solutions, but I think that our Independants Experts will speak more and better than me about that.

You may love it or hate it for the same reasons you love it, but once thing is sure, it won't let you undifferent!

Another one I saw in the flesh is at another extremity, the Digitale:

Here, the sobriety of this watch and of this concept ( we may even say ..minimalism ), contrasts with the extravagance of the Black Beauty, but it is not less interesting, of course.

Just at the middle of these 2 extremities, we have what I would call a nice compromise:

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Here we still have an original design, with the spherical moonphase, the blend of subdials and windows to provide the necessary datas of the perpeutal calendar, and these lugs which remind some Ulysse Nardin models.

A very young interpretation fo this complication, indeed, with a superbly finished movement, using the original technical solutions.

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As you can see, the lugs are unimitable!

And on the wrist, it works!

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And now, my 2 favourite De Bethune watches...

The simpler one, which doesn't mean unperfectibly finished.

A very nice and modern guilloché dial, captivating, with thes aerian lugs, in smaller dimensions than the 2 previous De Bethune posted here:

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And as always, a superb and interesting movement:

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I kept the last De Bethune ofr the end, as it is my true " Coup de Coeur ", the DBS 24 Vetroi, a Concept Watch looking piece, with a very strong personality:

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This watch is presented as a Sport Watch , with its 3 gears regulating system, driven by the crown.

High, when you practice your favourite sport with your watch on the wrist, to avoid the over wind of the barrel.

Middle, for a normal activity.

Low, in case of inactivity.

Isn't it genial?

But be careful, this last De Bethune is a big watch ( around 46 mm ), and it may be a problem for small wrists.

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The other confirmation is Moser, with the Mayu, and the Perpetual calendar.

The Mayu is a lovely understated watch.

A Classic and elegant dial, hiding a very nice houd wound caliber with 3 Days Power Reserve.

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Now, please admire the movement:

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The Perpetual Calendar is a minimalist piece, too, I would even say spectacularly minimalist!

Only one window for the date, and a power reserve indicator for the 7 Days Autonomy.

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A very nice curved case back:

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The Moser have to be seen in the flesh to fully appreciate them!

Next and last post to come: The Surprises and Revelations

Best,

Nicolas

 

 

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You could knock me over with a feather, Nicolas . . .

 
 By: Dr No : June 30th, 2009-08:51
. . . after thousands of posts, countless hours of reading, and even telephone conversations, it never dawned on me that the world of independent watchmakers had largely escaped your notice. I sense a shift in your appetite, mon ami . . . cordially, Art

A shift, Art

 
 By: amanico : June 30th, 2009-13:56
More than that! I'm on to dig a bit more this topic, my friend. I feel like a newbie, and that's a really great feeling. Best, Nicolas

LOLOL :::)))

 
 By: MiniCooper : June 30th, 2009-18:25

The Surprises and Revelations

 
 By: amanico : June 30th, 2009-13:22
I had an eye on the PSM watches, but sadly no time to see them well, because of FX who spent a lot of time to admire them, but I can tell you that what I too quickly ) saw was very pleasant, and I msure that he will post a brilliantb thread about them I g...  

Gorgeous pieces!

 
 By: Allen : June 30th, 2009-15:15
I find myself more and more attracted to Romain's creation. If it only had a second hand...

Don't know if the Romain Gauthier watches would be nicer

 
 By: amanico : June 30th, 2009-22:26
With a second hand, Allen... I fear it would break its purity and elegance. Damn, I was really positively shocked to see these watches! Best, Nicolas

Absolute masterpieces!

 
 By: pingtsai : June 30th, 2009-22:28
The dials reflect such masterful elegance and the movements are awe inspiring works of art. The Romain Gaultier has a cleaner symmetry with it's missing crown (although it feels a bit as though it's lost a limb...lol) I just love how craftmanship and qual... 

some more about Romain Gauthier...

 
 By: adrianNJ : July 1st, 2009-07:19
pictures taken in October 2006...he just acquired this new space and together with his only watchmaker at that time (a young gentleman - 22 yo) they're making some amazing pieces... adrian...  

A new firm: LADOIRE anyone?

 
 By: 219 : June 30th, 2009-14:35
It takes a brave set of individuals to set up a 100K+ CHF watch production in these times, but here they are. Almost a 50's tv screen, with a two time zone design and a movement made from scratch. Not my thing, but hefty and innovative. Well finished and ...  

Wow, that buckle looks like it cost more than a watch itself!

 
 By: Allen : June 30th, 2009-15:13
Thanks for the pictures, Andrew.

Pleasure - the pictures are not very good because of the spot

 
 By: 219 : July 1st, 2009-01:18
lights in the shop. There was a curvature to the crystal (like a 50's tv set) that made it difficult to photograph. That said, the movement is well finished. I have my doubts on the kinetic energy of that rotor, but the representative assured me that it w... 

Thanks for posting the pics of Ladoire watches, Andrew.

 
 By: amanico : June 30th, 2009-22:24
I have to confess that I totally missed this brand. Some interesting things, indeed, but the aesthetic is not my cup of tea. To be followed! Best, Nicolas This message has been edited by amanico on 2009-06-30 22:24:36

Some more DeBethune

 
 By: 219 : June 30th, 2009-14:43
More than any other firm at the moment, DeBethune impress. We were lucky to have a Dream Watch 1 with us at the store: innovative movements, designs, case design, and styling. The future looks bright! Dream Watch 1 (Robb Reports Best of the Best for this ...  

Agree, Andrew

 
 By: amanico : June 30th, 2009-22:29
These De Bethune really impressed me... Will end with one in my collection. Just have to think about which one. Best, and thanks for these excellent pics! Nicolas

I think the DB25. However loved the Rolex Explorer 1655 in your

 
 By: 219 : July 1st, 2009-01:21
collection - a real gem of a watch. Great to meet you and wish we could have had more time chatting - next time,tell me if you are in London. Cheers Andrew H

Indeed ...

 
 By: small-luxury-world : July 4th, 2009-01:31
the 1655 is a real gem ... and it looks nice on the wrist ... But some of the DBs aren´t bad as well ... Oliver...  

Looks perfect on your wrist, Oliver

 
 By: amanico : July 4th, 2009-04:53
Convinced? I'm ending a review on this special Rolex, and will post it in the very following days. It is strange because I owned one, before, and sold it. Then, several years after, !i began to fall in love again with it, and hunted one. It took me a lot ... 

"Convinced?!" Mmmmh ...

 
 By: small-luxury-world : July 5th, 2009-01:26
I really appreciate this kind of '"vintage" pieces, but I am still not sure if I am "rich enough" to wear a Rolex It seems to be that they are not that difficult to find, if you are willed to pay the "sporty" prices. From the pictures I have seen so far t... 

Prices are much more reasonnable, nowadays, my friend

 
 By: amanico : July 5th, 2009-01:30
Ad you don't need to be rich to get one of these " Freccione ", or the even more affordable GMT 1675. You can have fun for much less than one year ago. Don't go for the details or the particularities, but only for your pleasure, a nice patina and a good c... 

Sounds good ...

 
 By: small-luxury-world : July 5th, 2009-01:53
but "not rich enough" was not mentioned because of the price tag. What kept me away from Rolex - so far - is the message to everybody (and I mean everybody) if you have one on your wrist. Aren´t they just too obvious if you don´t want to impress the "crow... 

I see what you mean, Oliver

 
 By: amanico : July 5th, 2009-02:34
I completely understand what you mean, but I think this is a " state of mind ". You're not obliged to jump on a very hot Rolex, you may be very happy with an understated one, like the Freccione, or the GMT which are not the most popular, which is very fin... 

If I were you...

 
 By: MiniCooper : July 5th, 2009-07:04
I would be insulted and give the watch away to a friend- me for example lol Seriously though, I agree with you- the main reason for having and wearing a watch is our own enjoyment Cheers

Thanks for the nice words, Andrew..;

 
 By: amanico : July 4th, 2009-04:56
It was my pleasure, too! Be sure that next time I come there, I'll inform you. As for the 1655, this is one of my very fav Rolex. Its original look, plus the fact that it wasn't ( isn't ) so popular adds a lot ot the interest I pay on this watch. Best, Ni... 

I had the same ...

 
 By: bimbeano : July 4th, 2009-08:06
... but only on the wrist for a couple of minutes . I must confess i never payed a lot of attention to the explorer ... but this is such an elegant design ... i loved it from the first second i touched it. Filip...  

Of all the new DeBethunes, my favorite:

 
 By: Allen : July 1st, 2009-01:24
The DB25 in rose gold. Stunning watch in the metal....  

My favourite too - however, we had the blue dialed one in the shop.

 
 By: 219 : July 1st, 2009-02:08
But the same movement. Is that yours Allen? NICE! Andrew H

Not mine

 
 By: Allen : July 1st, 2009-09:34
I saw it at a trunk show with the other dream watch pieces.

Killing me

 
 By: flamenco : June 30th, 2009-19:27
.... softly. Excellent pictures, Nico & Andrew ! Incidently, I met Lionel (Ladoire) when he was in Singapore a couple of months back. Very innovative watches with use of exotic materials.

Our pleasure, Flamenco!

 
 By: amanico : June 30th, 2009-22:33
Viewing theses watches is an intense pleasure, my friend. I must now do my homework on the Independant Watches, as this is a new world, or almost, to me. But now I got how and why people pay interest to them. The finish, the originality, the technical sol... 

Some really unique pieces...

 
 By: pingtsai : June 30th, 2009-23:03
The De Bethunes are just crazy...in a good way. There are several design elements about them that I abolutely love and some that I don't care much for and thus overall, I'm torn. The hour markers, with their 3-dimensional, sunken spherical quality are so ... 

Pushings the limits of conventionality...

 
 By: amanico : July 1st, 2009-02:47
That's exactly that! Perfectly said, Ping. And in some other cases, we should also say that it is a sublime coming back to the Roots, to the fundamentals. Now, I have a seed growing in my brain... Best, Nicolas

Thanks for all the photos Nicolas

 
 By: GWIS : June 30th, 2009-23:24
and sincere thanks to Vernon, Mo and William & Sons for making it a great day. All the best Jon

Happy that you loved this GTG, GWIS

 
 By: amanico : July 1st, 2009-02:49
Shall we count you for the next one??? Best, Nicolas

The DB26 is a spectacular watch, Nicolas!

 
 By: dxboon : July 1st, 2009-02:08
Good grief, it is attractive! I love the blue-steel outlined sapphire hands, the 3-D moonphase, and the calendar display combination of a sub-dial for the date, and the two interesting windows for the month and day of the week. Stunning. I was really impr... 

Well observed, as usual, Daos

 
 By: amanico : July 1st, 2009-02:44
I totally agree with you on what you wrote about the Mayu. And yes, I saw the palladium version with this stunning smoke dial. As for the De Bethune, I'd say that these are very refreshing watches, really, as they re visit the horological landscape, and w... 

There are so many fantastic watches by the Independents!

 
 By: dxboon : July 1st, 2009-22:50
I agree that the Romain Gauthier timepieces are completely captivating. There's just something about that dial and lack of a crown that is so pleasing. The Speake-Marin watches are tasty too! My favorite has always been the single-handed Shimoda. PSM offe... 

Great report.......................

 
 By: Topcat30093 : July 1st, 2009-04:18
I visited William & Son shop only the week before and also took great pleasure in examining Mr Romain Gauthier beautifully crafted timepieces. As well as the FP Journes Tourbillon and Reasonance.

I hope I'll be able to dig a bit deeper on some of these pieces, Topcat

 
 By: amanico : July 1st, 2009-08:37
It may be the beginning of another ( watch ) love story, indeed. What is also awesome, and really amazing, is to see all these marvels at the same place. Well, here in Paris, we are used to see a lot of interesting watches, but in London watches seem to b... 

Nicolas, a question about the Moser movement pictures after the Mayu dial shots.

 
 By: CaliforniaJed : July 1st, 2009-21:25
Is that the Mayu movement? It looks quite different from mine. Fantastic post, by the way. Thanks so much for sharing. Best, Jed

Yes, Jed, it is the Mayu movement.

 
 By: amanico : July 1st, 2009-22:02
I didn't mess with the case backs. I checked another time, and it is the Mayu Case Back. Best, Nicolas

Interesting.

 
 By: CaliforniaJed : July 1st, 2009-22:28
Note the difference from the movement in my Mayu. Best, Jed...  

Mayu vs. Monard...

 
 By: DRMW : July 1st, 2009-22:58
Hello all! IMO, For the H. Moser & Cie MONARD: MAYU: Hope this helps. -MW...  

Thanks DRMW! (nt)

 
 By: CaliforniaJed : July 2nd, 2009-10:10
No message body This message has been edited by CaliforniaJed on 2009-07-02 10:10:49

;) [nt]

 
 By: DRMW : July 2nd, 2009-21:34
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Damn, Jed

 
 By: amanico : July 1st, 2009-23:08
You're right... I thought I took a Mayu case back, it was a Monard, in fact. I checked your pic in the Moser Catalogue, and you're absolutely right. Too many watches in the display, at this moment. Very sorry for this confusion. Best, Nicolas

Nicolas, no worries.

 
 By: CaliforniaJed : July 2nd, 2009-10:09
Thanks for carifying. (I thought maybe the Mayu had gotten the double hairspring and a makover for a minute!) Best, Jed

I’m in love with the Moser Perpetual since the first time I saw it…

 
 By: marcelo : July 2nd, 2009-15:10
…and really like the Perpetual De Bethune – an innovative and impressive design!!! Thanks for the great pictures of these beauties, Nicolas! Marcelo

They are all excellent choices, Marcelo

 
 By: amanico : July 2nd, 2009-22:32
Exhuberant or sober, they all share one thing : Originality. If you asdd a high degree of finish...It achieves to make them very desirable. A Revelation! Best, Nicolas

I see all of you,

 
 By: papillonwatchman : July 3rd, 2009-03:26
Had a great day, with some stunning watches, sadly that i missed it. Best, Michel

Hopefully, next time, you'll share this moment with us, Michel

 
 By: amanico : July 3rd, 2009-04:29
It was a fantastic one, my friend! Best, Nicolas

just away

 
 By: Quan : July 4th, 2009-08:43
for a week, Nic your post inkect more gas to my almost dim WIS fire ....LOL now burning hot on DB

Thanks, Quan

 
 By: amanico : July 4th, 2009-08:46
I'm not the dangerous one, here, but De Bethune!!! Wow, these watches are so appealing, my friend. One advice: Don't go to see them in the flesh or you will make the plundge. Best, my friend. Nicolas

Thanks for the pics !

 
 By: Emmanuel H : July 7th, 2009-00:38
The probability of having a De Bethune on my wrist in the near future is very strong ! My favorite one is still the DB15 but I must admit that this breathtaking DBS with black dial could be " The One "... Emmanuel