A chat with a collector

Sep 18, 2009,00:13 AM
 

The following is the edited transcript of a brief chat with an eminent collector of timepieces from independent watchmakers. His collection is notable not only for its diversity but also for its high quality, including pieces like Kari Voutilainen, Philippe Dufour, Urwerk and even less common makers like Paul Gerber and Beat Haldimann. Photographs of some of the watches can be found in the follow-ups to this post. 



 

Su JiaXian (SJX): What draws you to watches from independent watchmakers?

 

Anon : Technical innovation, [attention to] detail, finishing of the movements and artistic design, [though] some nearing being loud. And, to a lesser extent in recent years, their underdog status compared to the major brands.

 

SJX: Are there any independents you especially like?

 

Anon : No, none in particular.

 

SJX: Which of them do you wear most frequently?

 

Anon : H1 from Haldimann.

 

SJX: And what are the attractions of the Haldimann H1?

 

Anon : The ticking sound of the balance wheel; you can hear it ticking on a quiet night without putting the watch to your ear. Watching the tourbillion is like poetry with motion.

 



  

 

SJX: Most of the watches you own from independent watchmakers are classical in design; you don’t have much of the avant-garde pieces that have more or less come to define independent watchmaking in recent years. What do you think of such watches?

 

Anon : [Such watches] call for attention; you like it or you don’t; nothing in between. Furthermore, other aspects of the watch, like technical innovations, are sometimes over-looked [due to the focus on design].

 

SJX: Interestingly, you prefer your Roger Smith Series 2 more than the Simplicity you own, can you tell us why?

 

Anon : I can’t really put a finger to it; I suppose it is the watch as a whole.

 

SJX: Let’s talk brief about some of the less well known independent watchmakers of whom you are a client. For example what make you decide on the Lang & Heyne chronograph as well as time-only piece?

 

Anon : At first sight it was the movement, [then] the clean dial with the central [co-axial] minute and seconds hands of the chronograph.

 



 

 

 

SJX : Is there any watch you regret purchasing?

 

Anon : Yes, there are about 4 to 5 watches that I regretted purchasing.

 

SJX : Can you name one?

 

Anon : Dubey Schaldenband's Aerodyn Date – frankly I don’t know why I bought this watch. Maybe I was taken in by the [tonneau] shape.

 

SJX : Were your purchases made in person or online? If they were made online, do you have any advice for others who are considering buying a watch from an independent having only seen it on the internet?

 

Anon : My purchases were made in person [at a retail store]. I have not bought any directly from independent watch makers as yet.

 

SJX : You mention the independents are less of an underdog nowadays, in fact many are successful and their watches are much more expensive than in the past. What do you think of that? Does it lessen the appeal of independent watchmaking?

 

Anon : Being the underdog, I independent watchmakers were less well known, especially the new ones, and collectors in general were a lot less receptive. Therefore they had to work harder to convince collectors to buy their work.

 

[Today] thanks to watch forums on the net, aficionados and collectors who share their experiences and post pictures [the independents are better known].  Nothing is better than an endorsement from a satisfied buyer. In so far as being more expensive, we have to decide for ourselves, it’s willing buyer,willing seller. The major brands are also moving into this market sector.

 

The appeal of independent watchmaking for me has not diminished. The number of independent watch makers have increased therefore there are more creations to choose from, one just has to know what he is looking for in a watch. In any case, those without genuine good products will I believe fizzle away.

 

SJX : Thank you for your time.

 


 

 

This message has been edited by SJX on 2009-09-18 01:39:19



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Haldimann H1

 
 By: SJX : September 18th, 2009-00:32
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The H1 is simply ......I'm drooooling........

 
 By: CL : September 18th, 2009-10:01
I love it Thank you SJX . *CL

Lang & Heyne King Albert of Saxony

 
 By: SJX : September 18th, 2009-00:52
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Wow!!! Simply amazing...

 
 By: pingtsai : September 19th, 2009-10:29
Beautiful photos! The details really shine through. I think I have a new grail ...

both the Hi and the Lange & Heyne are fabulous looking watches

 
 By: G99 : September 22nd, 2009-11:30
L & H should enter that chrono in the 'how many hands can you put on top of each other' competition Graham

Roger Smith Series 2

 
 By: SJX : September 18th, 2009-01:06
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Definitely see the influence...

 
 By: chaser579 : September 18th, 2009-15:19
of Dr. Daniels (co-axial, design) and Breguet (overall). In a way, it makes owning an Omega with the 8500 movement (not yet, future) a bit of a thrill for those of us who are limited to such purchases : ) . PP and VC and AP will always be tops (as far as ... 

a lovely piece. a homegrown english watch made by a homegrown english watchmaker

 
 By: G99 : September 22nd, 2009-11:36
it brings back memories of the 19th century. having spoken to Roger briefly he is a lovely man and makes a lovely watch. i should be supporting british independents. one day perhaps i will. Graham

Voutilainen Cal. 27

 
 By: SJX : September 18th, 2009-01:10
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This guy looks like he has one of the coolest collection of watches seen so far

 
 By: ArthurSG : September 18th, 2009-06:54
The central tourbillon of the Haldimann certainly mesmerizes! Congrats to this astute owner!

Wow, this is probably ...

 
 By: small-luxury-world : September 18th, 2009-04:35
the "coolest" wrist shot of Voutilainen Cal. 27, I have seen so far. Fits just perfect. I really appreciated the interview and the very nice pictures of gorgeous watches. Thanks for your efforts. Oliver

What a magnificent collection..............

 
 By: Topcat30093 : September 19th, 2009-01:27
Thank you for writing the report & showing us those stunning photos. I love the Lang.

Thanks SJX, what a collection !

 
 By: DonCorson : September 18th, 2009-12:24
and great pictures too, Don

Great interview SJX! Thanks! [nt]

 
 By: DRMW : September 18th, 2009-13:03
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Thanks. I really enjoyed your post.

 
 By: VMM : September 18th, 2009-14:16
Wow! Beautiful timepieces to share. The Haldimann is one of the coolest tourbillons out there, to me. Love the cage shape and everything about they way it looks. A FANTASTIC timepiece you don't see very often. So elegant. The Lang & Heyne is stunning, wha... 

OMG!!

 
 By: cen@jkt : September 18th, 2009-16:05
He is just like my long lost rich brother (or my competitor) . I got or will get whatever (almost) he has. cen@jkt

Very nice watches!

 
 By: AnthonyTsai : September 19th, 2009-08:22
Thanks for this brief interview SJX. Always great to see more Haldiman tourbillon pics, and the Lange & Heyne looks stunning! Congrats to the lucky collector! Cheers, Anthony

Outstanding collection. No joke - a Greubel Forsey would

 
 By: 219 : September 19th, 2009-09:48
add to the collection, but as the collection stands, very very impressive. Thanks to the collector and SJX for sharing. Andrew H

Great interview, SJX! Thanks!

 
 By: dxboon : September 19th, 2009-20:00
Congratulations to this aficionado. He has an enviable collection of beautiful timepieces. Many of the watches pictured, if not all of them, are grail watches (and deservedly so) for lots of folks. I think the real revelation in this article is the monopu...  

That is indeed a diamond

 
 By: SJX : September 19th, 2009-20:30
All Lange & Heyne watches have diamond endstones. - SJX

Be still my beating heart!

 
 By: dxboon : September 19th, 2009-20:36
What can I say? Diamonds are a girl's best friend. Another watch goes on my grail list. Sigh... Thanks, SJX! Daos

Diamond of L&H Albert

 
 By: jojojahnke : September 20th, 2009-09:06
Hello Daos, the diamond is not used as a cap jewel. Diamonds are not soo good in this function cause they are too hard. The watch has also an shock-proof system for the balance axis. This system works with rubin as a deck cap under the diamond. If you com... 

That's interesting

 
 By: SJX : September 20th, 2009-09:13
Thanks for the info Johannes. By the way, for readers who are unaware, Johannes formerly with Lang & Heyne and he was the one who built the prototype of the chronograph. - SJX

Thanks, Johannes!

 
 By: dxboon : September 20th, 2009-18:40
I appreciate the information! That is so interesting that the properties we often extol in diamonds -- its tremendous hardness, make it less suitable for purposes such as cap jewels. The Albert is an amazing timepiece, and I'm very grateful for the inform... 

Thankyou Johannes!

 
 By: hans_jorgen_1968 : October 8th, 2009-02:59
Hi Johannes Thankyou for building this astounising watch! Would be really interesting if you could share some more details to this true magnificant watch that you do not see every day! BR Hans

very great

 
 By: collector : September 21st, 2009-01:29
thanks for showing the great pictures. i love the details. regards

all credit to you Johannes. that is a superb co-axial chrono

 
 By: G99 : September 22nd, 2009-11:42
do you still happen to have the prototype? i think every watchmaker should be able to keep their prototypes instead of just the memory. great interview SJX, thanks Graham