A new flame has come: De Bethune DB25

Jan 31, 2012,09:17 AM
 

(A tittle borrowed from Simply Red as I thought it would be appropriate !)

  

Hello everyone,


You are all horology lovers and you know that when we start to get seriously interested in watches our tastes evolve continuously and so does our next quest. As far as I'm concerned, I've been more and more appreciating independent brands through the years.


Their aesthetical uniqueness is what we recognize most but their technical behavior, the philosophy behind the creation of timepieces or the founder who tries to bring something new to a slowly evolving environment represent a high quality alternative to the traditional manufactures.


I don't make a judgment of both sides, one confronted to the other or trying to make a pecking order but these are 2 different visions of watch making, in many fields, yet quite close in others.


As time goes by, we can equally appreciate an independent (may he be of quality) or a glorious traditional brand, at any budget level.


These independents are often less understandable and less easier to feel maybe because of a lack of communication (understandable while comparing volumes) or because they appeared not long ago, a brand unknown from usual customers, but also because their volumes don't allow them to lower their prices at a level any clients are waiting for from a brand that they will inevitably compare to traditional ones.


This said, a better knowledge and a trained curiosity, or the need to look for something different, because of boredom maybe, leads someone to look at those new incomers that mix up usual standards in many technical or aesthetical aspects of watch making.


For me, for subjective and also real objective reasons, I've always been attracted to what is original or tries to explore new paths but, meanwhile, hate being taken for an idiot. Thus, I try to improve my knowledge and to sort information out, even if there will still remain a subjective part at the end.


This is for instance why I always had a closer look over what De Bethune offered. I found through their collection, the aesthetics (very subjective but this totally fits my feelings and tastes), the innovative spirit, the will to make things differently than it used to be (which in many field doesn't always mean "best" but best is on the path of the one who makes the effort to make the research, instead of always doing again and again what was already done before) and sometime development and intellectual reflection about what should the future be bringing.


I had the opportunity and the chance to be able to come across this watch I was highly looking for some years now (it was shown around 4 years ago): the De Bethune DB25 power reserve, white gold, silver dial.


Here follows a small reminder and a review of this watch. I hope you'll enjoy it smile










- The case

As said previously, the case is in white gold (an alloy of gold, palladium and other materials, such as zinc I think) and is 44 mm in diameter and 10.8 mm thick. Some would say a little big but, in this kind of field, I think that the overall proportions are what matters most, that it suits the spirit of the watch and also, in my opinion, that it would not come out the same if it had been smaller.

The style is inspired from old pocket watches, field in which David Zanetta is a specialist. The case is smooth, round and very pure. I never get tired of watching it and admiring its finish.










The crystal is slightly round and thus is harmonized with the softness of the design:






Finally, the crown is maybe the part from the whole case + crown + lugs that is the more detailed and nearly "crowdy". It has been drilled and carved with grooves and the front side's center is round: a contrast between curves and squares. This, I think, brings a touch of dynamism in the design of the watch without looking to modern. A little piece of art.










- The lugs

The earmark of the case is the contemporary design of the hollowed lugs and which resulting structure is very finely shaped, visually light and well balancing the size of the case.

Furthermore, these lugs are placed very low on the case and thus the watch sits very easily on the wrist, even a thin one, and doesn't provide a visual ungainliness when looking at the DB25. Meanwhile, it is not too "avant-gardiste" looking, flaw that would have weigh heavily on the visual impression conveyed by the DB25.

In my opinion, it is a perfect combination between modern and classic, without being a fashion object that we grow tired of and that quickly fades through time.

At the top end of the lugs, the strap appears. This gap between the strap and the case, combined with the thin structured lugs strengthens the soft feeling.








- The strap and its tang buckle

The black strap is made of alligator with a black mat selvedge and is of a very fine quality.

The tang buckle is also in a polished white gold and, unlike what we can more and more see in recent models, is of a normal or even small size, especially regarding the strap's and case width. I find it to be a great choice and going against the grain of today's trend.











Furthermore, its shape is well thought as it mixes curves and straight lines. The back side is "sand" finished with a discreet "De Bethune" engraving. The tang has not been neglected as it is also perfectly finished and polished:







- The dial

It is a 2 parts dial.

The central part is hand decorated with a "sun guilloché" pattern, divided in 12 areas (one for each hour). You may also notice a power reserve window at 12', thin and purely curved, which doesn't break the dial's overall look. The red color is perfect as it brings a touch of modernity and dynamism. When the barrels are fully loaded, this PR changes significantly as it shows a beautiful monochrome watch.










The peripheral index ring shows the "grain d'orge" guilloché decoration. The indexes are multi-layer painted, giving the figures a nice relief and a beautifully finished execution.

Roman numerals are fitting perfectly to the watch spirit and, as far as I'm concerned, I'm delighted as I like them better than Arabic figures. What a happy coincidence smile





The hands are handmade and made of blued steel, a technique that De Bethune masters greatly today. These hands are placed really close to the dial and their end comes liking the ring, which is beautiful to see. Another detail of De Bethune's mastery.











- The caliber

It is the DB2024 in-house caliber, automatic and power reserve (30 mm diameter).

Some figures: 287 parts, 49 jewels, 28.000 vph, 6 days power reserve.

I must say I love the "double-sided" aspect of this watch: on one hand a classic look, elegant, looking backward for today and on the other, the contrast of the engineering look, even technologic, modern and accurate, looking toward tomorrow. Dr Jekyll and ... Dr Jekyll too but more modern ^^ (who said Mr Hyde!)

The finish quality is really top notch (not the same level as a Lange or Patek of course). Screws are polished, some parts are steel chamfered and polished by hand perfectly (titanium bridge of the parechute system) and other parts are elaborately edged, may they be in titanium or in steel.









I particularly enjoy looking at the engraved "sand" finished ring that surrounds the movement and the resulting sharp contrast. It's perfectly well carried out:






The power reserve is obtained from a double spring barrel (placed one next to the other) which springs auto regulate one each other. The special feature of the barrels is that 3 ruby pallets are positioned between the mainsprings and the barrels (on each side). It enhances the accuracy of the watch as this limits the friction: traditional spring barrels are subjected to a metal against metal type of friction, needing more grease too.

This is typically the kind of concern for details I appreciate very much while one creates a watch.

The blued titanium balance (0.013 gr) is equipped with 4 platinum weights (4x 0.008 gr). The goal is to obtain the lightest structure possible (less inertia when prone to shocks and thus better time accuracy) while keeping enough inertia at the peripheral end in order to guarantee a continuous steadiness in time keeping.

It is usually a difficult balance to reach but that is improved in this case by pushing away the global weight to the peripheral, and reducing it where it is not necessary and not optimized (in the center area).

You will notice the presence of 2 gold studs (2x 0.002 gr) in the titanium arms to help compensate temperature variations:






Finally, this balance wheel display is equipped with the specific De Bethune flat terminal curve spring (squared part on the pictures). Its function is to enhance the accuracy (isochronie) of the system and to facilitate its manipulation.

This display is attached to the triple parechute system which goal is to absorb part of the shocks the watch receives. The system is composed of 2 ruby pallets, set in column shaped holders and supporting a titanium bridge. This bridge holds the escapement system with a central 2 springs absorbing display.

Concerning the escapement wheel, in order to increase its longevity, the cogs are beveled, alternatively on the upper and on the lower side so that the anchor ruby pallet-stones don't always strike the same spots.





- The rotor

It is an assembly of 2 main parts, one in blued titanium and the other in platinum.

Following the same philosophy than the balance wheel, it is necessary to obtain a good inertia at the peripheral but weight is not correctly optimized if positioned toward the center.

De Bethune chose to use a titanium girder (light), fixed to the center of the watch (and hence to the winding mechanism) and on which a bow shaped platinum weight has been screwed (high density, high weight and resistant).

This rotor is fixed on a ceramic bearings display to limit the wear and tear of the mechanism compared to steel for example (no oil) and thus to improve working reliability over time.







Finally you may have noticed on the pictures a central steel part with 4 little tabs incrusted with 12 small rubies. This part doesn't move and is screwed to the caliber (not to the rotor, as we may think at first sight). It is what protects the bearings from shocks and helps maintaining the rotor in place when shaken. The rubies help the rotor's titanium bridge to slide against the steel part.

I particularly like the gross general aspect of the platinum weight, well finished in the mean time, which flies sharply between the case and the other parts fixed to the bottom plate, a bit like a magnetic suspension shuttle.






I noticed that the automatic display winds anticlockwise only, not in both ways.


To conclude, you may have noticed my total fairness as I love this watch, but as I know many of you like De Bethune too I wished to share this with you. Let's end with the traditional wrist shots smile














That's all folks! I hope you enjoyed reading this smile

Have a good day.

Mark 

This message has been edited by Boréale on 2012-01-31 09:25:54


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When I see such a movement, I would not complain about automatic movements.

 
 By: amanico : January 31st, 2012-09:39
Congratulations, Mark, and thanks a lot for this very well written review. I love a lot of things on this watch: The movement, the original lugs, the wearable case, its classic dial. I can feel and understand how excited you are, to have been able to add ... 

Indeed it suits the watch's philosophy

 
 By: Mark in Paris : February 1st, 2012-06:32
I agree, many watch enthusiasts share some the same feelings about some aspects of this DB25. Glad my happiness was readable through this post, thank you for your words Nicolas ! Best reagards, Mark

Huge congrats Mark!

 
 By: foversta : January 31st, 2012-12:05
This DB25 is a fantastic watch and you will enjoy it a lot! I love its quiet dial, the contrast between the dial and the movement, its design... well almost everything! Your review is superb, thanks! I'm very happy for you and thanks for having chosen our... 

I indeed know what is your love for De Bethune

 
 By: Mark in Paris : February 1st, 2012-06:37
and this forum was really a the place to share this as we feel much respect between people here, and that was important for me. I remember when you had your DB and I remembered saying to myself that it was possible and that independants are definitely wor... 

you've made me really appreciate this watch!

 
 By: Ancienne Le Brassus : January 31st, 2012-13:45
Mare de Deu... this report made me finally understand something about DeBethune I hadn't before- thanks! The aesthetics of this watch are so very elegant, and so very contemporary. simply SPECTACULAR. and of course I say this with some envy! Thanks for th... 

Happy to read your enthusiasm here

 
 By: Mark in Paris : February 1st, 2012-06:43
I can today realize the distance I went through between the first time I heard about DB and now. The journey is worth making ! Be sure I'll post some more in the future Best, Mark

Huge Congrats Mark!

 
 By: ArthurSG : January 31st, 2012-16:41
A DB is always a great addition to any collection. Great taste evidenced with a great watch form a great Indie! Congrats again.

True, DB really has something special

 
 By: Mark in Paris : February 1st, 2012-06:48
as an independant and as a watch maker. It clears up the "fatigue" ^^ I join your thoughts when saying that it has its place in a collection, at many levels. Thank you very much for your message Arthur ! Best, Mark

Beautiful watch and great pictures!

 
 By: David Elliott : January 31st, 2012-18:22
Thanks for sharing them and your comments as well. I am attracted to many of De Bethune watches. Unfortunately, my budget is not. Oh well, I can dream. Dave

Thank you Dave

 
 By: Mark in Paris : February 1st, 2012-07:19
and I'm glad you enjoyed the review ! As for cars or art, it is always a pleasure to discover and read about it, the least I could do is share this, from a watch fan to others Best, Mark

Bravo and congrats!

 
 By: SJX : January 31st, 2012-20:43
De Bethune is truly the watchmaker of the 21st century. - SJX

Thank you SJX !

 
 By: Mark in Paris : February 1st, 2012-07:25
Your statement perfecly holds with what I think. For me, a perfect balance between watch historical legacy and the future. And thank you for this picture I had on my computer, which made me dream me a lot ! Best, Mark...  

I have coveted this watch since I first saw it...

 
 By: tom_hanx : February 1st, 2012-00:30
HUGE congratulations on the purchase - wear it in good health and good company!!!

I must confess

 
 By: Mark in Paris : February 1st, 2012-07:27
it took me a little more time to understand it but finally I came to the same result. It is an amazing timepiece and I will surely wear it a lot ! Thanks for you input Best, Mark This message has been edited by Borale on 2012-02-01 07:28:35

Congrats, Mark! This is one of my ...

 
 By: small-luxury-world : February 1st, 2012-06:53
all time favorites from DB. A real beauty, an interesting watch and high on my list. Thanks a lot for sharing and don´t mind to share more experiences, pictures, thoughts ... Oliver

I will Oliver !

 
 By: Mark in Paris : February 2nd, 2012-03:46
and thank you for your words as I know that you are also a great DB fan. Be sure I'll come back to you about this watch ! Best, Mark

The sweetness of De Bethune..

 
 By: moc : February 2nd, 2012-00:20
comes in different forms and shapes. You obtained one of the nicest DB,their dials are amongst the most beautiful and best executed around,the attention to details is second to none,especially in this case I like the contrast between the classic looking d... 

It is indeed something I keep telling myself

 
 By: Mark in Paris : February 3rd, 2012-07:24
and as I know you are a De Bethune lover too, it is a very nice feeling to share. About the finish you're right, all models are not exactly at the same level but you mentionned it is of a very high grade, I think I'll take the time one day to make a dary ... 

"comparision between this DB and my 1815"

 
 By: small-luxury-world : February 3rd, 2012-21:55
Both brands seem to stick to their own values. Some of them are important to me and therefore I appreciate both a lot. Both brands have different aproaches, but they are both outstanding - for sure. Back to your point. Would love to see a (in-depth) compa... 

I completely agree on your statement Oliver

 
 By: Mark in Paris : February 7th, 2012-02:13
And concerning the comparision review I think it will be quite fun and as there are many subjects of discussions between them I bet many of the issues will be brought by members of the forum themselves , more than me ^^ Best, Mark

Quality, quality, quality,

 
 By: Cpt Scarlet : February 3rd, 2012-06:46
You must be over the moon !

I am indeed

 
 By: Mark in Paris : February 4th, 2012-03:52
The nice long period I can finally look at it as long I want !

Wonderful catch! [nt]

 
 By: pifpaf : February 3rd, 2012-13:46
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Thank you Pifpaf ! [nt]

 
 By: Mark in Paris : February 4th, 2012-03:53
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Fantastic review, Mark!

 
 By: sanro : February 11th, 2012-23:14
We seem to share much in our passion for watches. 1815 and DB25 are also two in my drawer... However, I will have to view your post once and again while my DB25 comes back from service...not a fast thing at DB I must say... Thanks for sharing! Juan

Two representative watches we have in common

 
 By: Mark in Paris : February 13th, 2012-14:08
I haven't been confronted yet to a DB's servicing but I hope you'll be able to enjoy yours again soon ! Thanks Mark This message has been edited by Borale on 2012-02-13 14:09:42

The big thing...

 
 By: sidneyc : February 13th, 2012-01:53
Well, it's not the "next" big thing because it's obviously getting big already! It's great to see more and more DB owners amongst us, and a lot of us are attracted to this innovative brand! Congrats Boreale on the great catch!

Yes it seems to be a brand many have a weackness for

 
 By: Mark in Paris : February 13th, 2012-14:13
and I really appreciate this from what the brand transmits. Thank you for the comment Best, Mark