Urwerk 202 criticisms/comments

Apr 20, 2008,09:00 AM
 

Hello All,

I tend not to comment on watches that I find completely silly or uninteresting, but sometimes watches that are very interesting or attractive in some regard leave with me nagging concerns that I want to voice, perhaps in the vain attempt to give watchmakers that I like and respect some constructive feedback.  I know, who the hell am I to tell these guys anything?  I continue undaunted however, what are these forums for otherwise?

I love some of the Urwerk designs.  The 103 in particular I found quite lovely and fascinating and the new 202 is VERY cool as well (click to check it out if you haven't already):

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I have to take some exception to the variable efficiency automatic mechanism in this watch however.  Let me just assume that it does what they claim it does and the restriction of airflow from the turbines can effectively damp the winding efficiency wihtout unduly damping it in the complete "free" setting.  These assumptions are not at all trivial by the way, but without some extensive testing, the extent ot which this mechanism represents a real world performance gain instead of a parasitic gee-gaw remains to be seen.

The real issue I have with this mechanism however is the fact that it is not coupled with a power reserve indicator.  Because of this, there is no way to consciously set the winding efficiency in use or certainly test whether or not it does what it's intended to do.  Sure, you can set it to "stop" (blocked) when playing racquetball to ease the wear and tear on the rotor bearing, but other than that, you're completely in the dark about whether your watch is fully wound all the time even when set to "sport" or just barely limping along when set to "free".

Because of this, the variable efficiency automatic winding mechanism is reduced to being merely a toy and a pseudo-technical selling point, just like the variable inertia rotor in the RM005 and 010.  Granted, this one is a lot more fun since it has a little lever to play with, but it's not really useful, at least not nearly as much as it might be otherwise. 

I'd like to challenge our friends at Urwerk to step up and show us what this thing can do: put a power reserve indicator on the next one.

_john


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Thanks John.......

 
 By: CL : April 20th, 2008-11:06
I do find the design of 202 lovely too but I do feel the new auto function a bit of a gimmick. And honestly, does anyone will wear a 202 to do sport? Maybe driving around in a high speed Ferrari or Lambo ;-) Now I drool for a ALTin or TiAIN 201.........si... 

Silly yes, Beautiful...yes too!

 
 By: asg : April 21st, 2008-05:36
Firstly, Clang, I get this sence you are directing your comment at me . Funny! John - When I was at at SIHH, I had the opportunity to spend about a hour with the 202. Many Fellow WIS who i was with were making fun of me the whole time, But I was entranced... 

Hahhahaa....Adam,

 
 By: CL : April 21st, 2008-17:37

Good point...

 
 By: nickd : April 20th, 2008-11:14

Thank you John, ...

 
 By: FrancescoR : April 20th, 2008-11:52

is overwinding during sport really THAT big of an issue?

 
 By: SteveH : April 20th, 2008-13:25
Seems silly and trivial even with a power reserve indicator. It is cool and fun though I suppose, which certainly counts for something.

kind of

 
 By: ei8htohms : April 20th, 2008-14:39
Hi Seve, On many automatics, the rotor bearing and/or reduction train and/or reverser(s) and/or barrel are the first parts to wear out, so a good, controlled way to limit this wear is a good idea on some level. The problem is that keeping automatics wound... 

An eye opener, John.

 
 By: ling5hk : April 20th, 2008-18:30
If Urwerk accepts John's challenge, whether the turbines work as what it is intended, I take my hat off to our firends in Urwerk. Otherwise, I think the turbines in Urwerk is just like the turbine in Zenith. Regards Ling

How about DB24?

 
 By: Kong : April 25th, 2008-13:16
Hi John It also has a variable-efficiency winding (VEW) mechanism and no power-reserve indicator. Have you heard of De Bethune proved that their VEW worked? Kong